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this week's episode of the skeptic zone

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podcast is dedicated to the memory of

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martin hadley

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former president of the australian

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skeptics who left us

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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from australia for science and reason

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[Applause]

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yes it's the skeptic zone podcast

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episode number 681

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for the 24th of october 2021. richard

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saunders coming to you from sydney

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australia and i'm very sad to tell you

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that we've lost another

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wonderful skeptic in the last week

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martin hadley a good friend of mine

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for many years in fact martin hadley was

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on the

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committee of new south wales skeptics

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here in sydney when i joined

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in 2001

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he served as secretary

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as president and treasurer

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and our heartfelt condolences to

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his friends

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legal profession

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and to jessica and his family martin you

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will be sorely missed

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martin was a wonderful sounding board

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his

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calm rational

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well thought out approach

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i think saved my neck on more than one

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occasion

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but let's look to see what's coming up

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on this week's episode of the skeptics

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and podcast we have part two of the

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interview with dr carl kuzelniski this

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week kyle talks about coronavirus in

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chickens

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3d printing vaccines fossil fuels and

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climate change

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and lots more

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following that it's the australian

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skeptic's newsletter read by

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michelle bickersma

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i think adrian hill must be on some sort

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of vacation at the moment so michelle

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bickersma from logical fallacies

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and you can

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you can hear all of michelle's logical

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fallacies the segments she did last year

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at skepticzone.tv and just look for

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michelle's smiling face down the right

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side and that will take you to all her

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logical fallacies

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after that we interview susan gerbic

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from guerrilla skepticism on wikipedia

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because they have just reached one hell

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of a milestone

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million page views for their work

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and i hook up with susan it was a live

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video hookup we did at the time

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and she will tell you more about that

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and uh what it means

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stay tuned at the end of the episode for

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more announcements from me

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but now it's time for me to run

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downstairs and have an early morning

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glass of chardonnay

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in the memory of my friend martin hadley

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while i do that i hope you enjoy the

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as if by magic

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back again we're back again

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i can hear you

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yep uh oh and getting the vision going

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and there it is there it is going

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wonderful okay you're ready to rock okay

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well it's my pleasure to once again

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welcome back to the show dr karl

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krulinski to continue our discussion

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from last week carl last week we were

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chatting about

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misinformation and how

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certain internet companies milk you for

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basically

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advertising revenue by various sort of

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ways now let's put on our prediction hat

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let's put on our prediction headless

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gaze into the crystal ball how do you

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see 2022 shaping up

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world we live in now um i think we're

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of dealing with the coronavirus

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via constant revaccination

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of everybody in the world yeah and let

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me emphasize everybody in the world you

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don't go to the swimming pool the public

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swimming pool and see a sign saying it's

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okay to wee in this corner

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because it spreads everywhere right you

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been told out of a

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score of ten gets one oh yeah but

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nevertheless i'm still attracted to it

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this is how we're going to get a so the

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big one is the coronavirus one um and

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the the most popular vaccine given right

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now on earth is a vaccine against

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coronavirus and it has been given to

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fight coronavirus for half a century

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and then slowly you think hang on hang

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on half a century cover's only been

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around for about two years and this

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coronavirus vaccine or the vaccines they

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save billions of lives every year and

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anything hang on

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there's just under eight billion people

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this saves billions of lives every year

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chickens correct so coronaviruses have

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chickens and they were perfectly

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harmless i mean you know before this one

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lung disease and kidney disease it could

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coronaviruses that can kill them and the

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their feathers they prune their feathers

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schnitty or a chicken palm or a chicken

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chicken every commercial chicken is

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vaccinated every two weeks and so if you

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thing called chicken and then you'd go

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right and so rolling forward i see this

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this um prediction of mine or the whole

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story was rated in terms of

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reasonable to believe at one out of ten

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dr dr numero uno sharon lewin

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of phd in virology

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specialist in infectious diseases and

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these fields where i do not let me just

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point that out right but we

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2022 to answer your question via a long

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involved pathway so maybe it's 2032

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say hi richard look thanks for coming in

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let's have a look at your dna with

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the current strains of coronavirus and

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looking at the short arm of chromosome 6

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antigen focus we can see that you've got

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certain strengths and weaknesses and

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frailnesses and strengths with regard to

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the coronaviruses here in the city that

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center of the universe as well as hawaii

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and then i'll look up what coronaviruses

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using a 3d printer they will print off a

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bunch of vaccines that will cover you

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that chickens are vaccinated every two

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weeks so the coronavirus

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mutate to be the same or worse or or

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better if if it goes to be more mild we

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infect ourselves and we'll just have to

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get vaccinated every six months and

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that's not that bad because

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i mean yeah you have to make redo the

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sheets on your bed every six months

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whether they need it or not so

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six months yes of course yes

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well i actually did discover when i was

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a drug crazed hippie you can increase

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the lifespan

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of the sheets by

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vacuuming them did you know that you

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could vacuum them no you didn't know

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that i did not know such a live ski ah

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you can double the time before you have

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to wash your sheets but anyway so that's

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my prediction and i'd like to point out

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that i'm not an expert and that an

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expert

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professor doctor doctor numero uno of

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the dodi institute professor sharon

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lewin did say she rated it as one out of

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10 on feasibility but anyway that's the

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kind of the pathway i'm thinking of for

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better or for worse something similar

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3d printers began began in the mid 80s

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as what were called rapid prototyping

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machines really

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and so what you would do would be to

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spray

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or

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pour out a layer of a special liquid

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resin one third of a millimeter thick

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and then

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hit it with ultraviolet radiation in a

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certain pattern

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and then add another third of a

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millimeter and then do a slight the same

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or a slightly different pattern and keep

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on repeating and repeating and repeating

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and then

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after three hours you would have this

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plastic thing which would be a high heel

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shoe

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it would have cost you a hundred dollars

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and taken three hours instead of fifteen

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hundred dollars and a week and a half

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and from that we've moved to cheap

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little crappy things made out of plastic

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to

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we can print machines that are basically

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the size of my skull

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they've got about 20 different metals in

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them and they survive in an environment

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where the temperature is around a

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thousand degrees c and the wind is a

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hundred is a thousand kilometers per

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hour we're talking about fuel pumps

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inside jet engines inside

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inside jet engines fuel pumps inside not

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outside inside

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and they used to cost five million

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dollars but by printing they cost a

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quarter of a million dollars yeah and at

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the moment we're just seeing

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the move

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from 3d printing of cheap plastics at

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home

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into metals

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now the first metal ones are coming

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online the first metal 3d printers are

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coming online and

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here's a and they're going to be able to

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print vaccines now here's a question for

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you you probably didn't know tell me if

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you know this or not did you know that

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australia has its own official

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flock of government

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influenza vaccine chickens

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i must admit i did not know that their

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only job is to lay eggs which then into

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which a syringe is inserted

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and a little bit later a vaccine starts

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growing following biological processes

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inside the egg and then the egg is

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filtered and then the good stuff

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is put into a little vial to give you

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the influenza vaccine

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and the rest of it

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is kind of i don't know they should make

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a giant omelette ever i don't know i'll

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throw it away but the point is um that

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that's why some people are warned

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against having an egg allergy yes

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i've heard that yes right yeah yeah

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because the vaccines in some cases

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are grown on eggs now the whole thing

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about this mrna thing is what you do is

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you get a bunch of carbon hydrogen

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oxygen and nitrogen and maybe

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phosphorous atoms

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and you line them up and you put them in

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as feedstock and you shove them into the

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printer

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now we're not doing it through a 3d

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printer we're doing it in a factory at

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the moment with the mrna vaccines they

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don't go nowhere near a living chicken

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egg

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made entirely from what we'd call dead

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but organic meaning they hold carbon

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chemicals and i'm predicting

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um bearing in mind it's very difficult

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to make predictions especially about the

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future that 3d printers will be able to

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print off vaccines maybe 10 years is too

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soon but i think this would be a good

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goal for some clever

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biomedical biology science engineering

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people to go out and get fabulously

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wealthy because we're going to need

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vaccines yeah we're going to need

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vaccines forever so hey get into it and

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all that richard and i ask we can't

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paint it because we've put the idea out

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of the public domain but all we ask is

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that you showed us a cup of tea and

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coffee and maybe a slice of cake one day

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when you're fabulously wealthy ability

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or a chicken schnitzel maybe down at the

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local pub we'll settle for that

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yeah let me know let our listeners know

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are you working on your next book at the

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moment um thinking about it um

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social media is important book is

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important they have different needs so

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my last two books uh my last three books

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um road trip and serving safari were the

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first books in the known universe as far

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as i can tell

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that had pop-up holograms oh yeah

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so you you download the modestly named

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dr carl app oh by the way here's a time

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for a bit of humble bragging oh richard

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do you have a richard saunders app i

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can't say that i do oh fake sympathy

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fake sympathy humble brag go on go on dr

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carl

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tell me more yeah you say you download

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the modestly named dr carl app on any

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platform right

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then point the camera on your phone at

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the cover page of every story in my book

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and so there's a story there about dead

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fish swimming and we point out as i pop

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up magically at any hour of the day or

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night

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i pop up and i point out that

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maybe

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we should have looked to the ocean for

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the vampires because these creatures are

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dead and they can still keep on moving

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and then

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if you press one of the buttons under my

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feet you can then

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get taken to a home page where you see a

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video

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of a fish swimming

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and it's been dead for a day ooh and

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yeah okay so zombie fish yeah that was

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books number three and two in the past

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number 45 and 46 47 was a little book of

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climate change science and there's a

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bunch of climate change science books

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around and i'd highly recommend

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mine

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of course

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an ego but i would really extra

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recommend the one

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by michael mann on the climate wars and

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how the fossil fuel companies are still

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pushing for us to keep on burning fossil

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fuels even though they did the best

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research

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into fossil fuels in the 70s and 80s and

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they had proved to their satisfaction

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that fossil fuels were causing global

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warming and they knew this and they said

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this in 1977 wow and then in 199 yeah

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1977 and in fact the fossil fuel

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companies believed it so much that

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exxon the biggest company in the world

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at the time decided not to develop the

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biggest gas field in the whole world the

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tuna in a tuna gas field in the south

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china sea sort of malaysia indonesia the

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philippines you know that sort of area

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because while it did contain

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30

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methane it contained 70 carbon dioxide

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and it would have been the largest

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single point emitter of carbon dioxide

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on the planet and by itself would have

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accounted for 1 of all carbon dioxide

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emissions back then and the fossil fuel

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companies decided to not go ahead and

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develop it because carbon dioxide

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emissions were something they had to

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drop back on and in 1990 they chucked

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the ue and started

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a massive disinformation campaign read

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the book

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merchants of doubt by naomi oriski's and

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also read the book

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climate wars by michael mann so

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the bottom line with the whole climate

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change thing is that with today's

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technology we can actually stop and

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begin to reverse global warming within

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10 years but we've got to follow the

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example of the americans

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after the 7th of december 1940 when they

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got bombed at pearl harbor

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and

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in the previous half century they had

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made three thousand aeroplanes

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in the next four years they made not

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three thousand three hundred thousand

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yeah yeah that's the sort of political

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effort

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and mobilization that we need and if we

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do that we can bring

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the carbon dioxide levels back to what

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they were

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in the 20th century we can easily fix up

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steel and carbon dioxide steel and

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concrete which are

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total of 15 of world carbon emissions we

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can fix that in 10 years we just have to

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make the political decision so i don't

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know if i'll write another book about

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that um

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it seems to have

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taken off i wrote my first story about

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climate change

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in

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1981. wow

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yeah and back then um

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the world's largest reinsurance company

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munigrey so you know about insurance

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companies that ensure people like you

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and me insurance bicycle insurmo car all

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that sort of stuff but then there's the

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big guys the reinsurance companies

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and they will

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so

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you might have say a hailstone

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storm go through a big city and all the

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cars get damaged so if it turns out that

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one or two companies have the car

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insurance for most of the cars in those

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two cities they will then reinsure

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themselves against a hail storm

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with a reinsurance company they re they

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spread the risk around the world and the

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world's biggest reinsurance company

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munich re re

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they in 1973

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recognized

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that something that they called the

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greenhouse effect was happening it was

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causing an increase in

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disaster payouts

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and

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nothing personal it was just strictly

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business they increased the premiums and

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so did everybody else 1973 and remember

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the insurance companies picked up the

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smoking cigarettes was bad for your

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health before the medical doctors admit

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nothing personal is just business you

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want to get the life insurance policy

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was make sure uh do you smoke cigarettes

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yes you have to pay more okay another

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insurance company doesn't matter they'll

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charge you more too every

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it was nothing personal or strictly

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business

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so am i writing another book um i think

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so

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how about you what are you doing for the

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next little bit well

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i've got a cat who's just decided to

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join our conversation as you can see

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behind me there so i'll be taming the

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cat

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for the next little bit my big um

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my my big project over the past decade

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or so has been the great australian

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psychic prediction project

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we have catalogued

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3

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800 plus predictions from psychics

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in australia published in australia

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fully referenced

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and that project that the the results

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will be published um in uh in a couple

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of weeks in some weeks at the skeptic on

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the australian and new zealand annual

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convention so that's my big

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focus at the moment it's the biggest i'm

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sure

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of such projects ever undertaken

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anywhere in the world wow and did they

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achieve roughly 50 accuracy you'll have

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to wait and find out dr cole with

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everybody else when i publish the

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official results but uh i will

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you know tell you that from a skeptical

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point of view it's more or less what we

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sort of thought it would be ah well were

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they as bad as captain scott you now you

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remember uh spock from star trek yes mr

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spock the guy with the point is yes yeah

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the point is um part vulcan yes part

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human had to actually be taken from one

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female reproductive organ grown in a

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vatican put back again to complete his

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um proper gestation because it was so

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complicated having a human hybrid um his

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uh failure rate with predictions

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was 83 percent

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i am very confident captain kirk that we

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have only a one in 7 200 chance of

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surviving wrong again he was wrong 83 of

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the time and

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the more confident that he was

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the more likely he was to be wrong

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that's he should have been a psychic

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then he should have been a psychic in

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the in the project

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carl i i will let you in on on the

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secret in a uh maybe in another time

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exactly what we found out but for now

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where can people go where can they run

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to to find out more about what you're up

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to buy your books have a look at your

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tick tock and all the rest of it okay

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well it'd be very nice you've bought my

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books but you can get the stories for

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free in a shorter form uh

632
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on the great moments in science program

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on abc radio so if you're a bit sure to

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do i don't mind at all uh also go to

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drcarl.com d-r-k-a-r-l.com

636
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and i do free science q a sessions with

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schools all around the world every

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wednesday afternoon if you're outside

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australia we can pick a different type

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of suitable to your time zone and

641
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there's all sorts of other free stuff

642
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there as well um and if i've made a

643
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mistake please let me know as soon as

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possible so that i can fix it um and

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tick-tock and twitter and all that other

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sort of stuff look um but most

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importantly if i make a mistake please

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let me know as soon as possible and

649
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that's the true spirit of science folks

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i will link to all those in this week's

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show notes once again dr karl

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kruszelniski a pleasure to see you after

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all this time and let's hope that uh

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maybe early in 2022 we can catch up in

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person that would be lovely pj king

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catch you then

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[Music]

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new zealand and australian skeptics

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present skepticon 2021

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20th to the 21st of november every year

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skeptics in australia and new zealand

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hold their separate annual conferences

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this year it will be different

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the two groups are joining hands across

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new zealander of the year dr susie wiles

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from the uk professor richard wiseman

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[Music]

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hello everyone this is skeptic zone

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reporter michelle bickersma in melbourne

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to read some of the australian skeptics

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newsletter number

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134

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written by tim mendham

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normally adrian hill from canada reads

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this but she is on a maple syrup and

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waffle tour of canada and the us

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good luck adrian and bring me back some

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but

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getting back to the newsletter

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it says we're getting closer to

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skepticon 2021 every day

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a month away in fact so if you haven't

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booked your ticket yet you should do so

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straight away

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for more

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information meanwhile here you can find

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out what scientists think of science

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ghosts

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vaccinations real and fake suggestion

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and suggestibility

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among other things

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okay tim

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let's see what you have for us

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events

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while some skeptics groups are running

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their regular skeptics in the pub

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get-togethers online

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same talks but byo beer

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an increasing number are returning to

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the live face-to-face format

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check your local guides to see when and

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where such activities are on

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or if they are on considering any

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covered restrictions

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skeptics in action if you have any ideas

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for stories or want to contribute to

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skeptics communications

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such as the magazine or facebook page or

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just have something you want to get off

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your chest then you're welcome to get in

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touch

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news leads should be sent to news tips

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submissions for the magazine etc should

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go to editor

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comments and suggestions

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even rude ones

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should also go to editor

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[Music]

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remember that each story comes with a

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link you can click to find out more when

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you subscribe to the newsletter

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[Music]

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items of interest

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arkansas is home to the world's most

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haunted hotel

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towering over the town of eureka springs

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arkansas

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most famous buildings

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built in

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1886 the crescent has become a popular

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wedding destination

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however

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it is also said to be the most haunted

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hotel in america

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but hang on

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the headline says the world's most

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haunted

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since when has america been the world

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and a philosophical question to ponder

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in those sleepless etymologically

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challenged

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hours can a one item list be a list

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psychics at large

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two stories that are currently receiving

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a lot of coverage are about psychics

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who are said to have been a bit naughty

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a husband is suing a psychic for failing

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to remove a curse on his marriage

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a man is suing a psychic for fraud

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alleging she falsely promised she could

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remove a witch's curse apparently put on

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him by his ex-girlfriend for the small

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price of five thousand one hundred

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dollars

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faux french psychics who scammed the

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elderly

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u.s law enforcement busts an

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international scheme

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based in france involving druids

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money

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sacred rubies and thousands of victims

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[Music]

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there is much more to read every other

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week in the newsletter and you can sign

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up by visiting

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but for now this is michelle bickersma

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signing off

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hi this is rob palmer i write the

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well-known skeptic column in skeptical

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inquirer online and i'm a team member of

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the guerrilla skeptics on wikipedia

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project gsow

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but you find folks may know me because i

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contributed segments for several

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episodes of this podcast

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check out my interviews from cycon 2019

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starting with episode 576

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so here's a little known fact

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all of my skeptical activism stems from

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discovering the skeptic zone

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yep i first heard of the gsow project

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right here back in 2012 due to richard's

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selfless support of it and other

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skeptical activities around the world

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i can honestly say i'd likely still be a

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skeptical couch potato if i hadn't

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discovered this podcast

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so besides giving back to the zone by

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contributing occasional segments i

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[Music]

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i think we need to think

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[Music]

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here's susan gerbic

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you're waking up

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well i mean i should have gone i should

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have got out of bed a little while ago

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but hello susan goberg and

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congratulations

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yes it's exciting isn't it

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i'm i'm thrilled i'm just absolutely

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thrilled so you you

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you asked me some questions for your

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audience and then i will answer them

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because i'm so tongue-tied today i don't

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even know what to say i'm so excited

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about all sorts of stuff

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well

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susan before we begin

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before i get into that what why are we

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why are we so happy what are we

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celebrating exactly

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we're celebrating the 100 million

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wikipedia page views

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so the first page that we had ever

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considered one of our wikipedia pages

843
00:33:30,389 --> 00:33:28,480
that we ever wrote was i rewrote brian

844
00:33:31,350 --> 00:33:30,399
dennings yeah and then we went to phil

845
00:33:33,350 --> 00:33:31,360
plate

846
00:33:34,630 --> 00:33:33,360
right the baddest armor

847
00:33:36,870 --> 00:33:34,640
good man these are

848
00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:36,880
these are in english then derek conduno

849
00:33:41,029 --> 00:33:39,600
from skepticality yes

850
00:33:42,389 --> 00:33:41,039
james alcott

851
00:33:43,430 --> 00:33:42,399
from uh

852
00:33:44,470 --> 00:33:43,440
the

853
00:33:47,029 --> 00:33:44,480
cfi

854
00:33:49,190 --> 00:33:47,039
ray hyman yep robert schaefer mary

855
00:33:50,710 --> 00:33:49,200
beyerstein i look back on some of these

856
00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:50,720
pages that i wrote at the beginning and

857
00:33:55,350 --> 00:33:53,440
i almost want to cry there so

858
00:33:57,990 --> 00:33:55,360
they needed a new rewrite

859
00:33:59,350 --> 00:33:58,000
barry byers team jerry andrus yes

860
00:34:01,110 --> 00:33:59,360
that was one of her favorites mark

861
00:34:03,350 --> 00:34:01,120
edward ben radford

862
00:34:05,509 --> 00:34:03,360
committee for skeptical inquirer james

863
00:34:08,470 --> 00:34:05,519
randy educational foundation and so on

864
00:34:09,750 --> 00:34:08,480
we parted back the first page i have on

865
00:34:12,470 --> 00:34:09,760
here

866
00:34:14,629 --> 00:34:12,480
was from april of 2010

867
00:34:17,589 --> 00:34:14,639
okay so the idea originally was to

868
00:34:19,030 --> 00:34:17,599
spruce up and to improve and to

869
00:34:22,950 --> 00:34:19,040
get in the shape

870
00:34:25,510 --> 00:34:22,960
uh existing pages of of noted skeptics

871
00:34:27,510 --> 00:34:25,520
and skeptical organizations when

872
00:34:29,510 --> 00:34:27,520
when this this

873
00:34:32,310 --> 00:34:29,520
was it a movement was it a trend was it

874
00:34:33,109 --> 00:34:32,320
an idea was it a switch in your thinking

875
00:34:39,909 --> 00:34:33,119
to

876
00:34:41,990 --> 00:34:39,919
point out the

877
00:34:43,349 --> 00:34:42,000
pseudoscience when it was reported uh

878
00:34:44,790 --> 00:34:43,359
when it was mentioned on the pages and

879
00:34:46,069 --> 00:34:44,800
things like that

880
00:34:48,069 --> 00:34:46,079
oh we were doing that right at the

881
00:34:50,230 --> 00:34:48,079
beginning oh okay the pages i've just

882
00:34:52,310 --> 00:34:50,240
written read to you that we wrote our

883
00:34:55,990 --> 00:34:52,320
pages we wrote

884
00:34:58,870 --> 00:34:56,000
or rewrote complete complete rewrites

885
00:35:00,550 --> 00:34:58,880
but we we had always been editing you

886
00:35:03,430 --> 00:35:00,560
know different things i i remember

887
00:35:06,069 --> 00:35:03,440
putting um the james randy educational

888
00:35:08,550 --> 00:35:06,079
foundation used to do a pegasus award

889
00:35:10,230 --> 00:35:08,560
every april 1st yes

890
00:35:11,750 --> 00:35:10,240
and when they put out an article saying

891
00:35:14,230 --> 00:35:11,760
we've done a pegasus and we're we're

892
00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:14,240
going these are the people who we're

893
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:17,040
picking yes

894
00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:18,960
this is like the australian skeptics

895
00:35:22,630 --> 00:35:20,160
have a similar thing it's called the bed

896
00:35:25,190 --> 00:35:22,640
spoon award where we award

897
00:35:27,750 --> 00:35:25,200
uh some outrageous claim or some person

898
00:35:30,150 --> 00:35:27,760
making pseudo-scientific claims or a

899
00:35:32,069 --> 00:35:30,160
psychic or something who fails miserably

900
00:35:33,829 --> 00:35:32,079
or something like that

901
00:35:35,190 --> 00:35:33,839
so we would i would go to the wikipedia

902
00:35:39,670 --> 00:35:35,200
page

903
00:35:42,390 --> 00:35:39,680
the citation from the j-ref saying

904
00:35:45,030 --> 00:35:42,400
they have just won a pegasus for these

905
00:35:46,790 --> 00:35:45,040
reasons and that was amazing but that

906
00:35:48,550 --> 00:35:46,800
wouldn't that wouldn't have got made it

907
00:35:49,510 --> 00:35:48,560
to my stat badger because that's just

908
00:35:53,990 --> 00:35:49,520
like

909
00:35:57,829 --> 00:35:54,000
onto a page and the only thing that we

910
00:36:01,190 --> 00:35:57,839
count 100 million 100 million oh my god

911
00:36:03,030 --> 00:36:01,200
a hundred million page views that's only

912
00:36:05,589 --> 00:36:03,040
the pages we have written

913
00:36:07,430 --> 00:36:05,599
completely or completely rewritten just

914
00:36:10,390 --> 00:36:07,440
you know i see

915
00:36:11,990 --> 00:36:10,400
no little little edits that if we did we

916
00:36:13,430 --> 00:36:12,000
couldn't even track that and we of

917
00:36:15,349 --> 00:36:13,440
course

918
00:36:18,790 --> 00:36:15,359
we would be we would have hit

919
00:36:21,109 --> 00:36:18,800
a hundred million page views in

920
00:36:23,190 --> 00:36:21,119
oh gosh after a couple years

921
00:36:25,750 --> 00:36:23,200
one of the pages that sticks in my mind

922
00:36:27,030 --> 00:36:25,760
one of the ones you worked on or no you

923
00:36:29,510 --> 00:36:27,040
must have worked on it would have been

924
00:36:31,270 --> 00:36:29,520
created already was cupping

925
00:36:34,630 --> 00:36:31,280
now you had a good success with cupping

926
00:36:35,670 --> 00:36:34,640
didn't you because it was a a fad

927
00:36:37,510 --> 00:36:35,680
yeah but

928
00:36:39,910 --> 00:36:37,520
now what the last little we wrote the

929
00:36:41,589 --> 00:36:39,920
lead we wrote the lead because it was in

930
00:36:43,589 --> 00:36:41,599
the it was in the olympics it was being

931
00:36:45,589 --> 00:36:43,599
mentioned because of michael phelps now

932
00:36:47,510 --> 00:36:45,599
cupping folks i'm sure

933
00:36:49,270 --> 00:36:47,520
you you may have heard of this is where

934
00:36:51,430 --> 00:36:49,280
the practice of

935
00:36:52,470 --> 00:36:51,440
getting large glass

936
00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:52,480
semi

937
00:36:56,870 --> 00:36:55,040
uh spheres and heating them slightly

938
00:36:58,550 --> 00:36:56,880
putting them on the back usually the

939
00:37:01,670 --> 00:36:58,560
back of somebody

940
00:37:03,670 --> 00:37:01,680
and the the sphere cools down and that

941
00:37:05,829 --> 00:37:03,680
creates a bit of suction and it draws up

942
00:37:07,829 --> 00:37:05,839
the skin and you leave it on there and

943
00:37:11,589 --> 00:37:07,839
you take it off and it leaves big red

944
00:37:14,310 --> 00:37:11,599
marks on the back giant hickeys circular

945
00:37:16,870 --> 00:37:14,320
and the idea is through no science that

946
00:37:19,589 --> 00:37:16,880
should help you flow your energy cheese

947
00:37:21,190 --> 00:37:19,599
or release blockages or the toxins come

948
00:37:23,510 --> 00:37:21,200
out and all the you know all the words

949
00:37:25,750 --> 00:37:23,520
they throw around

950
00:37:27,589 --> 00:37:25,760
yeah and so we it was in the media

951
00:37:30,630 --> 00:37:27,599
because of michael phelps in the

952
00:37:33,829 --> 00:37:30,640
olympics 2014

953
00:37:35,910 --> 00:37:33,839
2000 right so we we got that lead

954
00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:35,920
changed and then we change the lead in

955
00:37:39,750 --> 00:37:37,599
other languages too we didn't know

956
00:37:40,550 --> 00:37:39,760
cupping was going to be a thing until

957
00:37:43,510 --> 00:37:40,560
and

958
00:37:44,550 --> 00:37:43,520
you did that but because because no

959
00:37:45,829 --> 00:37:44,560
because

960
00:37:47,349 --> 00:37:45,839
phelps

961
00:37:49,109 --> 00:37:47,359
or whoever it was at the time and

962
00:37:50,710 --> 00:37:49,119
whatever olympics it was it was getting

963
00:37:51,910 --> 00:37:50,720
a lot of attention and you noticed a lot

964
00:37:53,510 --> 00:37:51,920
of people were

965
00:37:55,510 --> 00:37:53,520
going straight to that page to have a

966
00:37:56,790 --> 00:37:55,520
look what's this all this cupping and

967
00:37:57,589 --> 00:37:56,800
that's why

968
00:38:00,790 --> 00:37:57,599
you

969
00:38:02,790 --> 00:38:00,800
when people went there they at least

970
00:38:04,790 --> 00:38:02,800
could get some reputable

971
00:38:05,910 --> 00:38:04,800
referenced scientific information on

972
00:38:07,990 --> 00:38:05,920
coming

973
00:38:10,310 --> 00:38:08,000
absolutely and i'm so glad you remember

974
00:38:12,710 --> 00:38:10,320
this this is a really good example of

975
00:38:14,790 --> 00:38:12,720
influencing the media and uh trying to

976
00:38:16,390 --> 00:38:14,800
get our word out there because we were a

977
00:38:17,990 --> 00:38:16,400
little slow because we hadn't written

978
00:38:19,589 --> 00:38:18,000
that page and we weren't really thinking

979
00:38:20,870 --> 00:38:19,599
about it but

980
00:38:23,030 --> 00:38:20,880
it had

981
00:38:25,190 --> 00:38:23,040
um it received about a thousand page

982
00:38:28,150 --> 00:38:25,200
views a day that was a normal traffic

983
00:38:30,390 --> 00:38:28,160
for it and the day that that uh

984
00:38:31,910 --> 00:38:30,400
that michael phelps kind of was

985
00:38:33,750 --> 00:38:31,920
all over the media people are going what

986
00:38:35,030 --> 00:38:33,760
are those circular hickey looking things

987
00:38:36,150 --> 00:38:35,040
on him

988
00:38:41,190 --> 00:38:36,160
and

989
00:38:42,790 --> 00:38:41,200
these different uh headlines uh of the

990
00:38:44,150 --> 00:38:42,800
media was interested in what was going

991
00:38:46,950 --> 00:38:44,160
on and they showed these pictures of

992
00:38:48,710 --> 00:38:46,960
them swimming with these hickeys and uh

993
00:38:50,950 --> 00:38:48,720
they were having like

994
00:38:53,030 --> 00:38:50,960
uh cutting practice practitioners come

995
00:38:55,430 --> 00:38:53,040
on tv shows yes

996
00:38:58,310 --> 00:38:55,440
what is that and they were showing them

997
00:38:59,910 --> 00:38:58,320
so the day that it hit its height which

998
00:39:01,990 --> 00:38:59,920
was the day that we were working on the

999
00:39:04,670 --> 00:39:02,000
lead of that wikipedia article

1000
00:39:07,270 --> 00:39:04,680
we uh the wikipedia page in one day hit

1001
00:39:11,349 --> 00:39:07,280
160 000 views wow

1002
00:39:13,030 --> 00:39:11,359
wow 1 000 to 160 000 in one day yeah

1003
00:39:15,270 --> 00:39:13,040
well it was it was big news i mean

1004
00:39:16,950 --> 00:39:15,280
because these famous sports stars were

1005
00:39:19,270 --> 00:39:16,960
standing up and walking around the pool

1006
00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:19,280
and some and everybody could see clear

1007
00:39:23,589 --> 00:39:21,119
and they still do it i mean in the last

1008
00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:23,599
yeah the olympics just gone i'm sure i

1009
00:39:32,310 --> 00:39:30,630
because you'll see um

1010
00:39:34,230 --> 00:39:32,320
well i don't follow it but from what i

1011
00:39:36,069 --> 00:39:34,240
understand you can watch the stats of a

1012
00:39:38,069 --> 00:39:36,079
wikipedia page and they usually

1013
00:39:40,390 --> 00:39:38,079
correspond with whenever like the

1014
00:39:42,069 --> 00:39:40,400
kardashians or something has posted

1015
00:39:43,750 --> 00:39:42,079
something a tweet about how they've

1016
00:39:45,349 --> 00:39:43,760
gotten the cupping or whatever and

1017
00:39:47,349 --> 00:39:45,359
you'll see the spike on the cupping

1018
00:39:50,150 --> 00:39:47,359
glove yeah so people are hugely

1019
00:39:51,109 --> 00:39:50,160
influenced by celebrity uh and sports

1020
00:39:52,710 --> 00:39:51,119
figures

1021
00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:52,720
and they want to be like them and they

1022
00:39:56,390 --> 00:39:54,240
think that they're

1023
00:39:57,589 --> 00:39:56,400
not only cool but

1024
00:40:00,390 --> 00:39:57,599
you know they want to follow their

1025
00:40:02,390 --> 00:40:00,400
lifestyles now you've had uh you've had

1026
00:40:04,390 --> 00:40:02,400
some interesting times with doing the

1027
00:40:06,550 --> 00:40:04,400
work the cabal the team you have and

1028
00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:06,560
we'll get to how you folks you at home

1029
00:40:10,390 --> 00:40:07,440
can be

1030
00:40:12,150 --> 00:40:10,400
part of this movement this revolution uh

1031
00:40:14,069 --> 00:40:12,160
you've had some interesting interactions

1032
00:40:15,270 --> 00:40:14,079
with so-called psychics who you've

1033
00:40:17,030 --> 00:40:15,280
written about

1034
00:40:18,870 --> 00:40:17,040
uh over the years because that's what

1035
00:40:19,589 --> 00:40:18,880
you do you go on to their page and you

1036
00:40:22,150 --> 00:40:19,599
put

1037
00:40:24,150 --> 00:40:22,160
referenced factual information about

1038
00:40:25,510 --> 00:40:24,160
these so-called psychics and sometimes

1039
00:40:27,510 --> 00:40:25,520
it's the last thing they want to have on

1040
00:40:29,109 --> 00:40:27,520
their page

1041
00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:29,119
oh we've heard it from a lot of people

1042
00:40:31,990 --> 00:40:30,160
that

1043
00:40:34,150 --> 00:40:32,000
they will say oh whatever you do don't

1044
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:34,160
go to my wikipedia page it's all lies

1045
00:40:38,470 --> 00:40:36,480
right we've heard this from anti-vaxxers

1046
00:40:41,109 --> 00:40:38,480
we've heard it from the brzezinski

1047
00:40:43,670 --> 00:40:41,119
clinic the cancer clinic

1048
00:40:47,430 --> 00:40:43,680
the page we it was on their f it was on

1049
00:40:49,190 --> 00:40:47,440
their faq on their website is it said do

1050
00:40:51,510 --> 00:40:49,200
not go to our

1051
00:40:53,589 --> 00:40:51,520
page

1052
00:40:55,910 --> 00:40:53,599
and different psychics have said as well

1053
00:40:58,309 --> 00:40:55,920
they'll tell their fans um

1054
00:41:00,470 --> 00:40:58,319
don't go there or if the fan says what

1055
00:41:02,470 --> 00:41:00,480
is this information i've read about you

1056
00:41:04,390 --> 00:41:02,480
on your wikipedia page they'll say

1057
00:41:07,750 --> 00:41:04,400
anybody can write anything on wikipedia

1058
00:41:12,630 --> 00:41:10,309
i'm sure it bothers them way more than

1059
00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:12,640
we think uh i remember jeanette wilson

1060
00:41:17,589 --> 00:41:15,359
had a cow that was the one from the uk

1061
00:41:19,990 --> 00:41:17,599
jeanette wilson's from the uk yes she i

1062
00:41:21,990 --> 00:41:20,000
mean she lives in new zealand now okay

1063
00:41:23,990 --> 00:41:22,000
no she's one of the the gaggle of

1064
00:41:26,630 --> 00:41:24,000
psychics who build themselves as blah

1065
00:41:29,030 --> 00:41:26,640
blah blah leading psychic or this you

1066
00:41:31,349 --> 00:41:29,040
know most uh celebrity psychic to the

1067
00:41:33,589 --> 00:41:31,359
stars and you know they come and go

1068
00:41:36,870 --> 00:41:33,599
which is also antiphobic i mean

1069
00:41:39,750 --> 00:41:36,880
anti-vaccine right of course you did uh

1070
00:41:40,790 --> 00:41:39,760
you did a whole exposure you did

1071
00:41:43,430 --> 00:41:40,800
why don't we

1072
00:41:46,390 --> 00:41:43,440
so

1073
00:41:49,030 --> 00:41:46,400
not only do you go on and um you

1074
00:41:51,750 --> 00:41:49,040
add the correct references and citations

1075
00:41:55,030 --> 00:41:51,760
to their wikipedia page but you you

1076
00:41:57,990 --> 00:41:55,040
also do stings your famous things all

1077
00:42:00,230 --> 00:41:58,000
named after food

1078
00:42:04,710 --> 00:42:00,240
operation

1079
00:42:06,950 --> 00:42:04,720
to hot chocolate to whatever you call

1080
00:42:08,390 --> 00:42:06,960
them and this is where you

1081
00:42:10,150 --> 00:42:08,400
will be part of the audience of a

1082
00:42:11,430 --> 00:42:10,160
virtual meeting of a psychic or you go

1083
00:42:13,349 --> 00:42:11,440
in person and

1084
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:13,359
you do undercover work

1085
00:42:18,710 --> 00:42:16,480
yeah absolutely and i try to uh and and

1086
00:42:20,790 --> 00:42:18,720
i succeed a lot of the time to get

1087
00:42:22,150 --> 00:42:20,800
people within our community to help yeah

1088
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:22,160
um

1089
00:42:24,550 --> 00:42:23,520
it's not just me

1090
00:42:26,309 --> 00:42:24,560
because

1091
00:42:27,589 --> 00:42:26,319
i might come up with a plan and i i

1092
00:42:29,829 --> 00:42:27,599
might

1093
00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:29,839
instigate it and pay for it with funds

1094
00:42:34,710 --> 00:42:32,560
from our non-profit please donate people

1095
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:34,720
i put the link in the chat we need money

1096
00:42:38,630 --> 00:42:36,480
to uh well you could mention that link

1097
00:42:40,309 --> 00:42:38,640
when we when we uh wind up we'll do that

1098
00:42:42,230 --> 00:42:40,319
yep right okay well it's also my

1099
00:42:45,430 --> 00:42:42,240
facebook feed i just put it there right

1100
00:42:48,790 --> 00:42:45,440
so anyway the point is yes that yes we

1101
00:42:51,190 --> 00:42:48,800
went in and i recorded jeanette wilson

1102
00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:51,200
in one of her workshops and she wasn't

1103
00:42:55,589 --> 00:42:53,280
she didn't expect to be recorded because

1104
00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:55,599
she always says oh i'm pro-vaccine i'm

1105
00:42:59,430 --> 00:42:57,119
pro-mammograms

1106
00:43:02,069 --> 00:42:59,440
i have no problem with 5g she says these

1107
00:43:03,510 --> 00:43:02,079
things in public but in private she's

1108
00:43:06,870 --> 00:43:03,520
telling her people in the workshops

1109
00:43:10,309 --> 00:43:06,880
completely opposite so i recorded her

1110
00:43:13,109 --> 00:43:10,319
and uh i got i got at least 16 minute

1111
00:43:16,150 --> 00:43:13,119
rant of her talking about vaccines and

1112
00:43:19,030 --> 00:43:16,160
how she anti-vaccine and so

1113
00:43:23,510 --> 00:43:19,040
i gave the the video i had

1114
00:43:33,190 --> 00:43:23,520
recorded to a reporter from

1115
00:43:38,230 --> 00:43:36,069
he interviewed me and he listened to the

1116
00:43:41,190 --> 00:43:38,240
recording and then he talked to jeanette

1117
00:43:44,069 --> 00:43:41,200
wilson and and interviewed her and she

1118
00:43:46,230 --> 00:43:44,079
said oh i'm pro-vaccine what are you

1119
00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:46,240
talking about and he said

1120
00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:48,480
i just listened to the video yeah and

1121
00:43:52,390 --> 00:43:50,560
she's like what video

1122
00:43:54,550 --> 00:43:52,400
because people will tell us that she'll

1123
00:43:56,470 --> 00:43:54,560
do a workshop record it and then her

1124
00:43:59,190 --> 00:43:56,480
husband will hit pause when she gets to

1125
00:44:01,270 --> 00:43:59,200
the anti-vaccine step wow and then turn

1126
00:44:04,230 --> 00:44:01,280
it back up again yeah it's really

1127
00:44:05,910 --> 00:44:04,240
interesting the spin-off this okay okay

1128
00:44:08,069 --> 00:44:05,920
yep yeah so

1129
00:44:10,390 --> 00:44:08,079
she is trying to keep that out but the

1130
00:44:12,950 --> 00:44:10,400
reporter said oh i just listened to this

1131
00:44:15,910 --> 00:44:12,960
video and i didn't make the video public

1132
00:44:18,309 --> 00:44:15,920
i just gave it to reporters and so she

1133
00:44:19,589 --> 00:44:18,319
was furious and she had a fit because

1134
00:44:22,230 --> 00:44:19,599
she when she found out she had a

1135
00:44:23,829 --> 00:44:22,240
wikipedia page we can create a wikipedia

1136
00:44:25,670 --> 00:44:23,839
page when they get enough media coverage

1137
00:44:27,829 --> 00:44:25,680
yes

1138
00:44:31,190 --> 00:44:27,839
because we gave them the stuff to give

1139
00:44:34,790 --> 00:44:33,030
so that's the thing some people say oh

1140
00:44:36,710 --> 00:44:34,800
why haven't i got a wikipedia page well

1141
00:44:38,870 --> 00:44:36,720
there's a certain criteria you have to

1142
00:44:40,309 --> 00:44:38,880
meet and that's not in your hands that's

1143
00:44:44,309 --> 00:44:40,319
that's simple

1144
00:44:46,470 --> 00:44:44,319
yeah well my plea is for um for you to

1145
00:44:48,550 --> 00:44:46,480
keep going not necessarily on mine of

1146
00:44:50,390 --> 00:44:48,560
course but more important people

1147
00:44:52,710 --> 00:44:50,400
please don't stop this is such

1148
00:44:55,589 --> 00:44:52,720
fascinating work you do now as i said

1149
00:44:58,309 --> 00:44:55,599
before why don't you tell our listeners

1150
00:45:01,109 --> 00:44:58,319
how they can get involved where should

1151
00:45:03,510 --> 00:45:01,119
they go on the internet to find out more

1152
00:45:05,750 --> 00:45:03,520
well they should come to facebook and

1153
00:45:07,190 --> 00:45:05,760
just message me if they are you know

1154
00:45:09,910 --> 00:45:07,200
really have some serious questions i'm

1155
00:45:12,950 --> 00:45:09,920
happy to answer questions um our secret

1156
00:45:14,710 --> 00:45:12,960
cabal is located on facebook yeah so i'm

1157
00:45:16,230 --> 00:45:14,720
very worried making sure everybody

1158
00:45:17,829 --> 00:45:16,240
understands that before they get all

1159
00:45:19,670 --> 00:45:17,839
excited and say i will never ever use

1160
00:45:21,270 --> 00:45:19,680
facebook ever in my life

1161
00:45:24,470 --> 00:45:21,280
because that's where we are we're

1162
00:45:25,829 --> 00:45:24,480
located yes and they will move but it it

1163
00:45:27,910 --> 00:45:25,839
makes it easy for us to be able to

1164
00:45:29,910 --> 00:45:27,920
communicate and share and we are kind of

1165
00:45:31,750 --> 00:45:29,920
a social group you know we can see each

1166
00:45:33,589 --> 00:45:31,760
other's posts and talk about each

1167
00:45:36,069 --> 00:45:33,599
other's dog or whatever vacation they're

1168
00:45:38,150 --> 00:45:36,079
taking so we like that social aspect but

1169
00:45:40,710 --> 00:45:38,160
at the moment facebook is the perfect

1170
00:45:42,309 --> 00:45:40,720
place for us to go through but

1171
00:45:44,069 --> 00:45:42,319
if they really want it just to have some

1172
00:45:45,670 --> 00:45:44,079
information we do have a facebook page

1173
00:45:48,309 --> 00:45:45,680
where it has a lot of information on it

1174
00:45:49,270 --> 00:45:48,319
we have a website that's called gsow

1175
00:45:50,230 --> 00:45:49,280
team

1176
00:45:53,270 --> 00:45:50,240
or

1177
00:45:56,309 --> 00:45:53,280
can also go

1178
00:45:58,550 --> 00:45:56,319
and um just watch uh we have a

1179
00:46:00,390 --> 00:45:58,560
facebook page called about time which is

1180
00:46:02,630 --> 00:46:00,400
the name of our nonprofit

1181
00:46:03,670 --> 00:46:02,640
about time project you can find it on

1182
00:46:06,710 --> 00:46:03,680
facebook

1183
00:46:09,270 --> 00:46:06,720
and um there you can watch the thread of

1184
00:46:11,109 --> 00:46:09,280
every time we post a new wikipedia page

1185
00:46:13,270 --> 00:46:11,119
we talk about it every time we do a new

1186
00:46:14,790 --> 00:46:13,280
sting we talk about it every time

1187
00:46:16,630 --> 00:46:14,800
there's some kind of new thing that's

1188
00:46:19,430 --> 00:46:16,640
happening in the activism world that

1189
00:46:21,430 --> 00:46:19,440
we're in we we talk about conferences we

1190
00:46:22,950 --> 00:46:21,440
go to all that kind of stuff and we're

1191
00:46:25,030 --> 00:46:22,960
going to be doing some

1192
00:46:27,270 --> 00:46:25,040
i i understand we're going to be going

1193
00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:27,280
to conferences in 2022.

1194
00:46:31,109 --> 00:46:28,560
so we're hoping to have some

1195
00:46:31,990 --> 00:46:31,119
scholarships for the people who attend

1196
00:46:33,990 --> 00:46:32,000
well

1197
00:46:36,230 --> 00:46:34,000
i'm angling i'm talking to people in

1198
00:46:37,990 --> 00:46:36,240
canada and i'm angling for maybe a north

1199
00:46:39,670 --> 00:46:38,000
american trip early in the new year

1200
00:46:41,430 --> 00:46:39,680
where i hope to uh

1201
00:46:43,030 --> 00:46:41,440
if you're listening adrian hill maybe

1202
00:46:44,710 --> 00:46:43,040
get up to calgary or something like that

1203
00:46:46,230 --> 00:46:44,720
and have some maple syrup i would love

1204
00:46:47,349 --> 00:46:46,240
to go to calgary

1205
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:47,359
wouldn't that be fun there's so many

1206
00:46:51,430 --> 00:46:49,200
places i'm dying to visit there was a

1207
00:46:53,030 --> 00:46:51,440
lot of things i had to put off and yes

1208
00:46:55,270 --> 00:46:53,040
you guys i really want to come out to

1209
00:46:57,030 --> 00:46:55,280
your group and talk to you one-on-one

1210
00:46:59,109 --> 00:46:57,040
and and i know richard will do the same

1211
00:47:00,630 --> 00:46:59,119
thing yeah whatever we can do really

1212
00:47:02,630 --> 00:47:00,640
want to meet more people and it helps

1213
00:47:04,390 --> 00:47:02,640
grow it really helped grow the community

1214
00:47:06,069 --> 00:47:04,400
whenever we were yeah well susan goebeck

1215
00:47:08,230 --> 00:47:06,079
and richard saunders visit calgary to

1216
00:47:10,470 --> 00:47:08,240
eat maple syrup with adrian hill tour we

1217
00:47:11,670 --> 00:47:10,480
could call it that

1218
00:47:13,910 --> 00:47:11,680
that would well we could call it the

1219
00:47:15,829 --> 00:47:13,920
about time tour which is it's a little

1220
00:47:17,349 --> 00:47:15,839
more simple but we can we get a maple

1221
00:47:19,270 --> 00:47:17,359
syrup we could have maple syrup susan

1222
00:47:21,430 --> 00:47:19,280
gerbic from guerrilla skepticism on

1223
00:47:23,109 --> 00:47:21,440
wikipedia thank you very much for this

1224
00:47:25,510 --> 00:47:23,119
impromptu suddenly get out of bed

1225
00:47:27,270 --> 00:47:25,520
richard and interview susan experience

1226
00:47:30,069 --> 00:47:27,280
and go into my house you're in you're in

1227
00:47:32,069 --> 00:47:30,079
my mind if people zoom room you guys is

1228
00:47:34,390 --> 00:47:32,079
my background my room so it looks like

1229
00:47:35,670 --> 00:47:34,400
he's at my house but every week when we

1230
00:47:37,829 --> 00:47:35,680
play trivia or we're doing the

1231
00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:37,839
prediction project i always end up in in

1232
00:47:42,630 --> 00:47:40,079
your house for some strange reason it's

1233
00:47:44,470 --> 00:47:42,640
all weird oh susan it's so weird i look

1234
00:47:46,230 --> 00:47:44,480
forward to i look forward to seeing you

1235
00:47:48,630 --> 00:47:46,240
in person next year that'll be just

1236
00:47:50,150 --> 00:47:48,640
fantastic but for now folks visit those

1237
00:47:53,030 --> 00:47:50,160
websites there'll be a link in this

1238
00:47:54,230 --> 00:47:53,040
week's show notes susan gerbic thank you

1239
00:47:56,790 --> 00:47:54,240
very much

1240
00:48:14,630 --> 00:47:56,800
thank you richard

1241
00:48:18,150 --> 00:48:16,230
thank you for listening to the skeptic's

1242
00:48:19,510 --> 00:48:18,160
own podcast now this has been brought to

1243
00:48:22,470 --> 00:48:19,520
my attention by

1244
00:48:26,230 --> 00:48:22,480
a few people candace owens calls on the

1245
00:48:31,750 --> 00:48:27,589
what

1246
00:48:33,430 --> 00:48:31,760
and this one this particular

1247
00:48:36,309 --> 00:48:33,440
information comes

1248
00:48:38,309 --> 00:48:36,319
from yahoo news and this was

1249
00:48:42,309 --> 00:48:38,319
brought to my attention by listener

1250
00:48:44,790 --> 00:48:42,319
graham donald what is it saying now

1251
00:48:47,510 --> 00:48:44,800
it says candace owens calls

1252
00:48:49,190 --> 00:48:47,520
on the u.s to invade australia

1253
00:48:51,589 --> 00:48:49,200
candace owens has called on the us

1254
00:48:53,750 --> 00:48:51,599
military to invade australia calling the

1255
00:48:56,950 --> 00:48:53,760
latter a quote

1256
00:48:58,950 --> 00:48:56,960
tyrannical police state end quote owens

1257
00:49:03,430 --> 00:48:58,960
made the comments on herself

1258
00:49:04,630 --> 00:49:03,440
titled daily wire tv show

1259
00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:04,640
yep

1260
00:49:07,750 --> 00:49:06,480
and i had a quick look at that and she's

1261
00:49:09,270 --> 00:49:07,760
saying when are we going to invade

1262
00:49:12,069 --> 00:49:09,280
australia liberate these poor

1263
00:49:13,589 --> 00:49:12,079
australians living under a tyranny or

1264
00:49:16,069 --> 00:49:13,599
whatever it is

1265
00:49:17,670 --> 00:49:16,079
i wonder where she gets her information

1266
00:49:20,309 --> 00:49:17,680
from

1267
00:49:22,390 --> 00:49:20,319
because although we had restrictions and

1268
00:49:23,270 --> 00:49:22,400
various requirements which made perfect

1269
00:49:24,150 --> 00:49:23,280
sense

1270
00:49:27,190 --> 00:49:24,160
which

1271
00:49:28,309 --> 00:49:27,200
the vast majority of australians

1272
00:49:30,230 --> 00:49:28,319
did

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00:49:32,630 --> 00:49:30,240
and knew why they were doing them and

1274
00:49:34,230 --> 00:49:32,640
accepted them it wasn't fun but we

1275
00:49:36,069 --> 00:49:34,240
accepted them

1276
00:49:37,109 --> 00:49:36,079
yes there was a small minority of people

1277
00:49:38,150 --> 00:49:37,119
making

1278
00:49:40,230 --> 00:49:38,160
trouble

1279
00:49:41,670 --> 00:49:40,240
protesting down the streets helping to

1280
00:49:43,990 --> 00:49:41,680
spread the virus

1281
00:49:45,750 --> 00:49:44,000
even yesterday in melbourne they're

1282
00:49:48,309 --> 00:49:45,760
still carrying on

1283
00:49:49,990 --> 00:49:48,319
uh to even suggest we're living under

1284
00:49:51,589 --> 00:49:50,000
some sort of tyrannical state we need

1285
00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:51,599
liberation it's just

1286
00:49:55,349 --> 00:49:53,280
bizarre but then again

1287
00:49:58,150 --> 00:49:55,359
that's what we're used to with the

1288
00:50:00,309 --> 00:49:58,160
freedom fighters and the anti-vaxxers

1289
00:50:03,109 --> 00:50:00,319
so a message to all my listeners in the

1290
00:50:04,150 --> 00:50:03,119
united states of america um

1291
00:50:06,390 --> 00:50:04,160
yeah

1292
00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:06,400
we're doing okay thank you to all those

1293
00:50:10,230 --> 00:50:07,680
people who continue to support the

1294
00:50:13,109 --> 00:50:10,240
skeptic zone at patreon or paypal or who

1295
00:50:14,790 --> 00:50:13,119
have come on board in the last week like

1296
00:50:17,270 --> 00:50:14,800
my good friend leonard trammell from the

1297
00:50:19,910 --> 00:50:17,280
bay area thank you leonard he's come on

1298
00:50:21,270 --> 00:50:19,920
board as a patreon sponsor

1299
00:50:23,030 --> 00:50:21,280
and you too

1300
00:50:25,349 --> 00:50:23,040
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00:50:28,470 --> 00:50:25,359
patreon sponsor or paypal by visiting

1302
00:50:33,430 --> 00:50:31,910
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1303
00:50:35,589 --> 00:50:33,440
and while you're there look at the top

1304
00:50:37,829 --> 00:50:35,599
of the page and you'll discover the new

1305
00:50:39,109 --> 00:50:37,839
tick tock link yes skeptics zone is on

1306
00:50:40,630 --> 00:50:39,119
tick tock

1307
00:50:42,790 --> 00:50:40,640
i haven't got that many followers yet

1308
00:50:45,270 --> 00:50:42,800
well i'm sort of new at this but if you

1309
00:50:47,030 --> 00:50:45,280
go there if you are into tick tock why

1310
00:50:49,109 --> 00:50:47,040
don't you click that tick tock link have

1311
00:50:51,190 --> 00:50:49,119
a laugh at some of my tick tocks

1312
00:50:53,030 --> 00:50:51,200
and become one of my tick tock

1313
00:50:55,030 --> 00:50:53,040
subscribers and we'll see if we can get

1314
00:50:57,990 --> 00:50:55,040
those numbers to come up

1315
00:50:59,670 --> 00:50:58,000
although i am horrified i am horrified

1316
00:51:01,829 --> 00:50:59,680
that the tick tock i have put up with

1317
00:51:03,990 --> 00:51:01,839
the most views so far stars brian

1318
00:51:05,190 --> 00:51:04,000
dunning from skeptoid so

1319
00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:05,200
go figure

1320
00:51:10,630 --> 00:51:07,440
and just before i go some good news from

1321
00:51:14,150 --> 00:51:10,640
maynardo reporter maynard he has more

1322
00:51:17,349 --> 00:51:14,160
gigs lined up now things are starting to

1323
00:51:19,750 --> 00:51:17,359
ease here in sydney so much for living

1324
00:51:22,150 --> 00:51:19,760
under the thumb of the government

1325
00:51:24,230 --> 00:51:22,160
no we are actually quite free and we're

1326
00:51:25,910 --> 00:51:24,240
free to go to gigs and maynard will be

1327
00:51:28,430 --> 00:51:25,920
doing some gigs for more information

1328
00:51:30,870 --> 00:51:28,440
please visit

1329
00:51:33,829 --> 00:51:30,880
maynard.com.eu if you live in sydney and

1330
00:51:35,270 --> 00:51:33,839
you can go along and enjoy a maynard

1331
00:51:37,510 --> 00:51:35,280
experience

1332
00:51:39,270 --> 00:51:37,520
but for this week this is richard

1333
00:51:44,309 --> 00:51:39,280
saunders signing off from sydney

1334
00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:46,069
you've been listening to the skeptic

1335
00:51:52,150 --> 00:51:48,960
zone podcast please visit our website at

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00:51:57,750 --> 00:51:55,190
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1337
00:51:59,990 --> 00:51:57,760
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1338
00:52:01,910 --> 00:52:00,000
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1339
00:52:04,630 --> 00:52:01,920
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1340
00:52:06,790 --> 00:52:04,640
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00:52:09,109 --> 00:52:06,800
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1342
00:52:11,190 --> 00:52:09,119
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1345
00:52:19,349 --> 00:52:17,520
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1346
00:52:21,670 --> 00:52:19,359
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00:52:24,230 --> 00:52:21,680
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1348
00:52:37,430 --> 00:52:24,240
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1349
00:52:40,870 --> 00:52:39,190
now don't go away susan gobig you're

1350
00:52:42,630 --> 00:52:40,880
back it's the end of the show of course

1351
00:52:52,870 --> 00:52:42,640
the music's over and you know what that

1352
00:52:56,069 --> 00:52:54,470
don't use that die that adrian sent you

1353
00:52:58,150 --> 00:52:56,079
that has the fake dial you can't see

1354
00:53:00,150 --> 00:52:58,160
that but there's a guy swelling machine

1355
00:53:01,670 --> 00:53:00,160
turn off your virtual reality here this

1356
00:53:03,589 --> 00:53:01,680
is the dice machine

1357
00:53:05,030 --> 00:53:03,599
that my good friend greg grey gave me

1358
00:53:05,910 --> 00:53:05,040
yep there it is folks if you ever

1359
00:53:08,230 --> 00:53:05,920
wondered

1360
00:53:12,470 --> 00:53:08,240
so here we go so susan what

1361
00:53:14,470 --> 00:53:12,480
why do i bother asking what what number

1362
00:53:16,069 --> 00:53:14,480
what kind of dice

1363
00:53:17,349 --> 00:53:16,079
i can't even hold that up to the camera

1364
00:53:19,430 --> 00:53:17,359
never mind

1365
00:53:21,910 --> 00:53:19,440
you just have to yeah it's a d6 that's a

1366
00:53:23,589 --> 00:53:21,920
d6 here we go so get you at home use

1367
00:53:24,950 --> 00:53:23,599
your psychic power guess you are out

1368
00:53:26,630 --> 00:53:24,960
there live

1369
00:53:30,390 --> 00:53:26,640
we're doing this live this is a change

1370
00:53:35,030 --> 00:53:31,510
oh

1371
00:53:37,270 --> 00:53:35,040
close susan close four

1372
00:53:39,510 --> 00:53:37,280
four

1373
00:53:43,270 --> 00:53:39,520
that's where it's ready

1374
00:53:44,309 --> 00:53:43,280
here it comes here it comes and

1375
00:53:45,510 --> 00:53:44,319
ah

1376
00:53:47,109 --> 00:53:45,520
you know what

1377
00:53:48,470 --> 00:53:47,119
susan

1378
00:53:50,549 --> 00:53:48,480
it's a five

1379
00:53:52,390 --> 00:53:50,559
and i don't cheat i just i honestly just

1380
00:53:53,829 --> 00:53:52,400
pick it up as it falls because you know

1381
00:53:57,510 --> 00:53:53,839
that because five doesn't come up that

1382
00:54:00,470 --> 00:53:59,190
last number here it comes

1383
00:54:02,470 --> 00:54:00,480
[Music]

1384
00:54:04,790 --> 00:54:02,480
well we've sort of been dancing around

1385
00:54:06,790 --> 00:54:04,800
so that's a three

1386
00:54:08,069 --> 00:54:06,800
so today's winning numbers folks are

1387
00:54:11,829 --> 00:54:08,079
four